{"id":24078,"date":"2016-03-24T00:01:06","date_gmt":"2016-03-24T07:01:06","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/barbarafalconernewhall.com\/?p=24078"},"modified":"2016-03-24T00:01:06","modified_gmt":"2016-03-24T07:01:06","slug":"gods-sin-or-ours-my-gino-geraci-talk-revisited","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/server.stagingweb3.net\/barbarafalconernewhall\/gods-sin-or-ours-my-gino-geraci-talk-revisited\/","title":{"rendered":"Our Sin &#8212; Or God&#8217;s? My Gino Geraci Talk Revisited"},"content":{"rendered":"<figure id=\"attachment_24086\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-24086\" style=\"width: 584px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/barbarafalconernewhall.com\/2016\/03\/24\/gods-sin-or-ours-my-gino-geraci-talk-revisited\/\" rel=\"http:\/\/barbarafalconernewhall.com\/2016\/03\/24\/gods-sin-or-ours-my-gino-geraci-talk-revisited\/\"><img fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-24086\" src=\"http:\/\/barbarafalconernewhall.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/dead-bird-2009-07-500x375.jpg\" alt=\"The remains of a dead bird, probably killed by a domestic cat, lie on a brick wall with a camellia blossom. Photo by Barbara Newhall\" width=\"584\" height=\"438\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-24086\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">The bird. Photo by Barbara Newhall<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p><em>By Barbara Falconer Newhall<\/em><\/p>\n<p>In our\u00a0radio\u00a0conversation on KRKS-FM in Denver\u00a0last week, <a href=\"http:\/\/krkscrosswalk.podbean.com\/e\/crosswalk-with-gino-geraci-mar-16-2016\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">talk show host Gino Geraci<\/a>\u00a0&#8212; a very sensitive, congenial guy, btw &#8212; and I bumped up against the topic of sin. I have to confess that I kind of talked my way around the subject. I&#8217;m a polite Midwesterner by nature, and I didn&#8217;t want to get confrontational. I assumed\u00a0that, as a traditional Christian pastor, Gino <!--more-->believed in sin and \u00a0the inherent sinfulness of humankind. I didn&#8217;t and I don&#8217;t.<\/p>\n<p>Many Christians hold to the idea of\u00a0original sin, whereby the first\u00a0humans &#8212; Eve and Adam &#8212;\u00a0chose to defy and alienate\u00a0themselves from God, leaving a legacy of inherent sinfulness and corruption to all of posterity: original sin.<\/p>\n<p>It seems to me that, given our evolutionary origins, there can be no original sin. We\u00a0humans\u00a0are the products of our evolution, which means we do a lot of brutal stuff to other humans, to other creatures, and to the planet itself. But that just makes us imperfect &#8212; and not intrinsically depraved sinners.<\/p>\n<h5>Heretical Thoughts on Sin<\/h5>\n<p>To my mind &#8212; watch out, I&#8217;m going to get heretical here &#8212; to my mind, if there is an original sin, it is\u00a0God&#8217;s sin. It was God, after all, who created this musical-chairs, survival-of-the-fittest world of ours. To survive in this context, every individual\u00a0must brutally compete with every other individual, within\u00a0and across the species. If\u00a0the cat is to have dinner, a bird must die.<\/p>\n<p>I like Geoff Machin&#8217;s take on sin\u00a0(which he outlines in my book, <a href=\"http:\/\/WrestlingWithGodBook.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">&#8220;Wrestling with God: Stories of Doubt and Faith&#8221;<\/a>). Geoff, a physician, describes at length the &#8220;red in tooth and claw&#8221; nature of nature. But then he goes on to point out that there are human beings walking around on the planet who do things that run counter to their own survival and well being &#8212; they risk their lives to care for the victims of ebola, for example, or to take the polio vaccine into a war zone. Says Geoff, &#8220;That&#8217;s the God in us.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Gino and I did have a nice meeting of the minds on\u00a0one way of looking at\u00a0\u00a0sin &#8212; sin is whatever separates us\u00a0from God and from our own best selves.<\/p>\n<p>Works for me.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_24089\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-24089\" style=\"width: 150px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/barbarafalconernewhall.com\/2016\/03\/24\/gods-sin-or-ours-my-gino-geraci-talk-revisited\/\" rel=\"http:\/\/barbarafalconernewhall.com\/2016\/03\/24\/gods-sin-or-ours-my-gino-geraci-talk-revisited\/\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-24089 size-thumbnail\" src=\"http:\/\/barbarafalconernewhall.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/cat-mischka-big-face-580x387-150x150.jpg\" alt=\"A gray cat face up close. Photo by Barbara Newhall\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-24089\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">The cat. Photo by Barbara Newhall<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p><em>To read about\u00a0Harvey Cox on the nature of belief and heresy, go to <a href=\"http:\/\/barbarafalconernewhall.com\/2009\/12\/12\/books-openers-harvey-cox-you-dont-have-to-believe-to-be-a-christian-not-any-more\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">&#8220;You Don&#8217;t Have to Believe to Be a Christian.&#8221;<\/a>\u00a0On the other hand, if this story leaves you needing some levity, find it at\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/barbarafalconernewhall.com\/2010\/04\/24\/a-case-of-the-human-condition-reading-writing-and-yucky\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">&#8220;Small Boys &#8212; Reading, Writing and Yucky.&#8221;<\/a><\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>If you enjoy my posts, consider signing up to get regular updates via email, RSS \u00a0feed, Twitter or Facebook. Just go to the icons at the top of the right column. To comment on this post, look for the comments box at the top of the post.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"http:\/\/barbarafalconernewhall.com\/2016\/03\/24\/gods-sin-or-ours-my-gino-geraci-talk-revisited\/\" rel=\"http:\/\/barbarafalconernewhall.com\/2016\/03\/24\/gods-sin-or-ours-my-gino-geraci-talk-revisited\/\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-24099 size-large\" src=\"http:\/\/barbarafalconernewhall.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/dead-bird-2009-07-2-500x281.jpg\" alt=\"a dead bird dropped on a homeowner's doorstep by the neighbor's cat. Photo by Barbara Newhall\" width=\"500\" height=\"281\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>To my mind, given our evolutionary origins, there can be no original sin. God&#8217;s sin, maybe &#8212; but not human sin, not inherent human depravity. <a href=\"http:\/\/barbarafalconernewhall.com\/2016\/03\/24\/gods-sin-or-ours-my-gino-geraci-talk-revisited\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Read more.<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":24088,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[13],"tags":[1668,34,1638,85,1644,1669,88,1670,1671,1672,1673,1211,1674,53],"class_list":["post-24078","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-my-rocky-spiritual-journey","tag-cats","tag-dont-miss","tag-evolution","tag-geoff-machin","tag-gino-geraci","tag-gods-sin","tag-nature","tag-original-sin","tag-sin","tag-sinners","tag-suffering","tag-the-problem-of-evil","tag-theology","tag-wrestling-with-god"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/server.stagingweb3.net\/barbarafalconernewhall\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/24078","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/server.stagingweb3.net\/barbarafalconernewhall\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/server.stagingweb3.net\/barbarafalconernewhall\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/server.stagingweb3.net\/barbarafalconernewhall\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/server.stagingweb3.net\/barbarafalconernewhall\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=24078"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"http:\/\/server.stagingweb3.net\/barbarafalconernewhall\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/24078\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/server.stagingweb3.net\/barbarafalconernewhall\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=24078"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/server.stagingweb3.net\/barbarafalconernewhall\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=24078"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/server.stagingweb3.net\/barbarafalconernewhall\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=24078"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}